Origin Story: Why We Do What We Do
Our Origin Story
It all started with a simple question: Where were the women? When Jana Marlé-Zizková and Pavel Bulowski went to work meetings or events in the tech industry, the other attendees were often men. They discovered that many women had a lot of enthusiasm and interest in data analytics and related areas. Yet, not everyone knew how to get started or access community support. This inspired the first workshop on data analytics for women in 2016. In the face of the overwhelming response, one workshop led to another, and then to many more. She Loves Data was born.
As a community, we commit to the belief that women have many talents, virtues, and values to bring to the table. This bears out in our very own logo, which is based on the Coxcomb chart. Florence Nightingale famously used the chart to explain the preventable deaths of soldiers during the Crimean war. She later led the sanitation reform of British hospitals. Just as Nightingale used data to create change, so too can more women become active contributors to a data-driven world. Pam Ooms, our volunteer who designed the logo, felt that Nightingale’s story fitted very well with She Loves Data’s purpose and wanted to borrow design elements from the Coxcomb chart.
What’s Next
Today, 200 years from Florence Nightingale’s time, she continues to inspire as a role model. We also find ourselves in the midst of a crisis, where the need for data literacy and digital skills is more urgent. We are forced to adapt to disruptive changes and in many instances, shift from the physical to the virtual. One silver lining is that the transition has led She Loves Data to create our first webinars, and we’re able to reach more people. At the same time, our community focus remains core.
It’s important that women building skills in tech don’t feel like they are on this journey alone. We understand that it can be tricky to build this feeling of community and sense of belonging online. There is no easy solution, but we can continue to support each other with friendly exchanges in our Facebook and LinkedIn groups. She Loves Data also continues to expand. We’re building local tribes and partnerships in places from Armenia to Vietnam so that more women can benefit from our work. We hope you keep safe and stay strong.
The Importance of a Supportive Network in Trying Times
This article was originally published in The Bulletin Box on 15 April 2021 by the author.
We have seen and continue to see how the ongoing pandemic has set back the progress women had achieved over the past decades. While vaccinations around the world have resulted in some countries easing restrictions and the economy easing, it will take time for people especially women to get back on their feet. In the US alone, the participation rate among working women aged 25 to 54 dropped by 74.2% in September 2020. In a similar research by Affect, it was found that working mothers, in particular, have seen declines in income, career growth, and a negative impact on their job performance.
The “Covid-19 & the Workforce” study by Affect, showed that 68% of men are working full time during the pandemic, while only 49% of women do. “More than one in five working moms (21%) took a temporary leave of absence from a job to handle increased caregiving or household responsibilities.” The impact is not limited to the United States. Globally, the pandemic has shown that it is not gender-neutral.
According to the UN Women and UNDP, this year “around 435 million women and girls will be living on less than $1.90 a day — including 47 million pushed into poverty as a result of COVID-19.” The paper goes further in stating that the effect is not limited to finances. “Violence against women reports have increased around the world, as widespread stay-at-home orders force women to shelter in place with their abusers, often with tragic consequences.”
A Supportive Network
In difficult times, people tend to isolate themselves. However, it is in these trying times that people, especially women, need to strengthen their social ties. There is nothing worse than feeling trapped and powerless.
While some people take comfort in following in the footsteps of people who are larger than life — Mother Theresa, Michelle Obama, Jacinda Arden, or Angela Merkel – that might not be enough for others. There is nothing wrong with relying on the memoirs and sage wisdom from cultural heroes or saints. They can be helpful. However, we can also learn from the experiences of those who are closer to us – our family members.
Outside of the family, there are other networks and relationships we can cultivate. Having a strong support network is particularly important. Below are some of the benefits of having a good support system according to the Mayo Clinic.
Finding a Support System
Finding a network where a person can thrive is a process. Online forums abound for those who value anonymity. Volunteering is another way. There are various organizations in Singapore that need manpower. She Loves Data is one such organization. It is a global not-for-profit community headquartered in Singapore with the aim to inspire women to pursue careers in Data & Tech and encourage them to be bold in their pursuit of a new career.
Depending on the organization and what is required, people can also up-skill themselves by learning while doing volunteer work. I have been part of at least two volunteer organizations since I landed in Singapore. Through these organizations, I was able to hone my marketing skills, primarily because I was able to test out trends, tools, and theories quickly.
Be clear and realistic about what can be achieved. Once a network is found, be an active participant. Networking and volunteering require give and take. I have been fortunate enough to meet so many fantastic men and women who have been and continue to be generous with their time and knowledge. In return, I pay it forward by helping others who are also seeking the same two-way relationship.
Landing a job may not be the immediate result of networking or volunteering, but these help in managing stress or improving mental well-being. Through volunteering, I managed to meet a lovely lady who has since become a dear friend, mentor, and coach. She has helped me deal with stressful situations and has provided me clarity when my judgment gets clouded.
Find a tribe. It can be daunting at first, but it will be worth it.
Resources
https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/stress-management/in-depth/social-support/art-20044445
https://www.timeout.com/singapore/things-to-do/places-to-volunteer-at-in-singapore
The Red Stroller and Signals at the Workplace
This article was originally published by Andrew Foster, CFA on LinkedIn on 13 April 2021. Republished here with permission.
—Andrew—
A couple of years ago, I interviewed someone for a role. Subsequently, they accepted, and we welcomed them into the bank. I am always curious as to why someone accepts a role. Asking “why did you decide to join us?” helps me refine my interview approach. After all, when you interview, you are selling a place to grow and develop, and when you observe, you are equally being observed.
The answer surprised me.
I saw the red stroller in the corner of your office and knew that family life would be considered here.
For context, at this time, I took my daughter to preschool each Monday before heading into work with the folded stroller. I am in no way claiming that this is anything close to an even burden of childcare and certainly wouldn’t have thought anyone noticed.
The experience got me thinking – what signals do we send in the workplace? How do we attract people to work with us, and how do we retain them?
—Garima—
“Every conversation is actually two conversations going on at once” – Nick Morgan, Power Cues.
The “second conversation” that Nick Morgan refers to is the one beyond the spoken word. It includes tone of voice, body language, and other signals that we send out to the listener. The unconscious conversation is far more challenging to influence.
The sign that I work in a great place came in the form of a photo.
Returning to work after a maternity break was a stressful event in my life. During my maternity, a lot changed, including the office location. Taking advantage of the move, my supervisor requested a nursing room (lactation room) complete with a refrigerator at the new site. Two weeks before my return, I received a photo of the new nursing room.
Looking back, I credit my return to full-time work to my manager’s act of kindness and thoughtfulness. I hope to pay it forward to other women and men at the workplace.
Self-awareness is a significant first step in sending out the right signs. If we can follow it up with authenticity, empathy, and consistency, it will help all of us realize our potential.
—Andrew—
My daughters are no longer in strollers, so now what? In a pandemic world, I drop them at school via car each day. In my diary, I have this blocked out as “drop off children at school”.
Perhaps that sounds obvious; however, I commonly hear from industry colleagues that they put dummy meetings in place when carrying out childcare commitments.
Look within your organization – if you are in a leadership role, what signals are you sending? What messages are others taking from your guidance?
As Garima said, are you being authentic and empathetic? After all, a happy, supported team is a productive team.
About the authors:
Garima Mamgain is Singapore-based marketing and strategy professional. She has worked with prominent consumer and business brands. Currently, she leads a critical marketing strategy initiative at a Fortune 500 company. Garima is passionate about driving diversity and inclusion. She volunteers with a non-profit – She Loves Data and is an active member of employee resource groups.
Andrew Foster is a Wall Street executive with a background in large-scale program delivery across London and New York. He specializes in building effective data teams in complex organizations that solve important business challenges. Andrew volunteers with the EDM Council’s Women in Data initiative and leads Affinity Group outreach.
This article was written in partnership with EDM Council Women in Data. Their mission is to provide support for and promote women in the field of data and assist in their development and promotion to more senior roles. Membership is open to all at EDM Council Women in Data and on Linked In
She Loves Data and Cats and Dogs!
Legal professional and SLD workshop attendee Low Wei Ling speaks to Tay Soo Sien on two of her passions: Tech and animals
Founder of Keep C.A. T. S., a Singapore initiative that looks after stray cats, Low Wei Ling was an attendee of one of She Loves Data’s free workshops. Wei Ling is just the kind of person She Loves Data attracts: one who is curious and constantly seeking to do things better.
“As Gandhi said, how you treat animals is a reflection of your society.” Wei Ling reminded me as we found a quiet corner to chat. Like some, she felt society looks at things too much from an economical value point of view. Hence, strays are seen as a burden rather than opportunities. Yet, animals have their value, even strays, as they can be adopted, and teach children about kindness.
The cat aficionado also shared how understanding SQL at She Loves Data workshops sparked completely new ideas about the way we handle animals. Rescue organizations used to need to spend an inordinate amount of time on logistics and operational tasks. Now, there is the choice to automate and streamline many such activities. This allows them to spend more time caring for animals; serving a larger and wider community of pet adopters.
The serial socialpreneur thought about using data to see what kinds of cats are most often adopted or what are the peak periods for abandonment. She wondered aloud how different animal welfare groups can work together to collate such data, noting that it was almost an imperative since they are already so tight with resources.
Looking back at the first workshop she attended, Wei Ling added, “I really like it because it gives me an introduction to what data analytics is about- just a taster!” Subsequently, she met up with course instructor and Director, Consulting and Client Solutions at Meiro, Quinn Pham who helped her understand the challenges and possibilities of using an aggregator based solution for a unified platform for multiple animal welfare groups.
With her interest in data sufficiently piqued, Wei Ling took the plunge, obtained a scholarship, and finished her data science studies in Hong Kong. She was only one of two females out of a class of fifteen men.
We wish her every success in her data and Keep C.A.T.S. endeavours!
Ladies, Keep Your Cool and Carry On
This article is by Soo Sien Tay, She Loves Data PR Lead
As far as conversations on women’s issues go, things have never looked better. Singapore Minister for Social and Family Development Masagos Zulkifli declared (Saturday Jan 30) 2021 as the Year of Celebrating SG Women. Yet challenges remain. One of the most pertinent and recurring issues in every related conversation has been radically changing mindsets about gender stereotypes and traditional gender roles.
This is exactly the primary motivation at She Loves Data; the push for greater diversity and inclusivity in the Tech space. She Loves Data’s global community of 17 chapters operates in 16 countries, with more than 15 000 members from 107 countries. It has pulled together through one of the most trying times in modern history- a pandemic that still rages on, to provide that safe, deeply nurturing, and fun learning environment that takes women further in life and career.
In the past year, She Loves Data has been introducing a series of webinars which is aimed at encouraging and equipping women with opportunities to step up wherever they are. And even in the midst of launching its latest international chapter in London, it organized its most recent webinar, “Career Success, Practical Tips for Becoming Female Leaders in Tech” which featured panelist, Tracy Quah, Vice-President for Marketing, Asia Pacific and Japan, at Informatica.
Somewhere in the course of getting to know Tracy, she revealed the incredible story of how her grandmother risked her life during the Japanese Occupation in order to feed her family of starving children. Few would dare venture where she did. Smuggling opium past truckloads of Japanese soldiers? She was beyond brave. Her resilience and single-mindedness, not to mention the blatant staring down of fear in the eye was practically unheard of among restrained and risk-averse Asian women just after the turn of the century.
Clearly, Tracy inherited her grandmother’s “never-say-die” attitude. She shares freely how this can serve women better, especially in the world of Tech where gender inequality remains a multi-faceted issue despite increased awareness in recent years.
Opportunities Abound
According to a Reuters report, “Singapore faces talent crunch as tech giants scale up” (Wed 27 Jan 2021). The country now needs more tech talent than ever before. The good news is the demand is strong and the supply, weak. Yes, you heard right. This means opportunities are aplenty and the potential, boundless.
In the tech space, the percentage of women in Asia and Southeast Asia has actually surpassed that of western markets like the UK’s and Australia’s. As such, “Tech has become a very powerful lighthouse for change”.
Increasing awareness about gender imbalance in technology has prompted action, resulting in digital talent becoming core people initiatives in most, if not, all companies. While she shares statistics that reveal that Asia has caught up, Tracy pushes the envelope further by asking if that is enough.
Consider Men as Valuable Partners In Your Professional Journey
The way the tech veteran of 20 years and counting sees it, the more involved your male colleagues, and your male leaders along with you in your career, the better!
Gender diversity is not an issue for women only. Successful gender diversity programs today involve men’s participation. Hence, it is up to women to enroll and engage the men in their lives; to make them aware of the unique challenges that women face at work through various life stages. One solution is to turn men into ambassadors for diversity, “both at home and at work”. For females, this takes time, being kind to oneself, and letting go of the perfectionist that may be addicted to people-pleasing.
Speaking about bosses who can be difficult to deal with when they display gender bias tendencies, Tracy offered a huge takeaway, “For all you know the person who is out there to put you down is actually the one who lacks confidence. Maybe he or she could be the one that actually needs assurance.”
Forget Comparing and Forge Your Own Path
Every female leader has their go-to practices for success and Tracy is no different. She summarises three salient points for the busiest of minds.
It is all about purpose, passion, and proactivity. Before all else, define your purpose, and ask what your own path of success looks like. Drop the triggering habit of looking at others and saying, “I want to be like him or her because you are responsible for your own success.”
Then, there is passion. Dig deep down. What are you really passionate about? Your passion is going to make you a wonderful leader and help you groom more of the younger generation. “You have the power to be a change agent. You may not be able to change the world, but by changing yourself, you have already won half the battle. “
In practical terms, this means speaking up in meetings – whether it’s in a meeting or a regular conversation with team members. After all, the difference between followers and leaders is that leaders have a voice. She repeats firmly, “Don’t be shy to share your ideas. No one can deny your achievements. Even though you may lack confidence, your results will speak for themselves.”
And finally – proactivity. Make a plan, pick up new skills, enhance your strengths and use your weakness to your advantage; not as an obstacle. Be innovative and proactive; not reactive.
Strikingly, she puts the money where her mouth is. “There’s no harm in pinging one of us to go out for a coffee or get on a Zoom call…”. In fact, she offered to mentor two lucky attendees at the webinar, despite her busy schedule. With such refreshing approachability and readiness to rally women to continue showing up for themselves and their teams, we are assured the work of women who have come before we have not been wasted. The rest is up to us.
Watch the full episode of the webinar “Career Success: Practical Tips for Becoming Female Leaders in Tech” here: https://bit.ly/2MFhEeI
Follow She Loves Data’s LinkedIn page and the Women in Data Leadership community for more career advice and inspiration.
Female Leadership in a Data-Driven World
Interview with Three Powerful Women on their thoughts and Experiences on being Female Leaders in Tech: Jana Marlé – Žižková, Co-Founder of She Loves Data; Michaela Lhotkova, CIO ČSOB; and Tania Le Moigne
What inspired you to create the non-profit organization ‘She Loves Data‘ and why did you choose this name?
Jana Marlé – Žižková
In the very beginning, we did not plan to establish such an organization.
When launching another data organization 6 years ago, together with my co-founder Pavel Bulowski, we travelled across Asia and found that there seemed to be a common problem everywhere. We realised that organizations do not have enough data and technology professionals. Whenever we spoke to our clients, they told us they were looking for capable data analysts. We knew from statistics that only 26% of women work in the Data & Tech field, which made it clear to us that this was an obvious target group. That’s why we came up with the idea to organize an event in Singapore, to attract more people to the IT industry and, specifically, to inspire women in particular.
We know that about 50% of women study science and technology, but still choose careers more traditionally viewed as ‘female-centric‘. So we organized a one-day course targeted at women where previous technical or data experience was not a requirement and explained to them from the ground up that data and technology was not something to be afraid of. In a few days, we had 500 women who had registered for the course- we had found an incredible problem to solve!
After this event, we received positive feedback, and thanks to that, we knew right away that we could not stop training and we must continue to focus on educating women.
When our partners in Australia found out about us, they wanted to help us build on our success and there was no looking back. We have grown organically to this day, as the situation and demand for education is more or less similar everywhere. Thanks to this, 4 years after that first event, you can find us in 16 countries around the world, and we are proud to have trained more than 15,000 women globally to date. It’s also nice to watch a community of women and men form around the SLD who support and work with each other wherever they are.
What is it like being a female senior manager in a currently male-dominated environment? What roadblocks have you had to overcome in your career and which of those are still obstacles you face today?
Michaela Lhotková

Michaela Lhotková, CIO ČSOB
I joined the banking sector at a time when the bank was still far from being a data-centric organization. Today it is 100% true, banking has become a technological field, so it has undergone an incredible transformation and I, of course, had to adapt my skills and develop my knowledge in IT.
To give you an idea, I will share with you the key situations I had to go through at the beginning of my career. I never considered myself a technology-oriented person. I focused more on soft skills and believed in qualities such as networking, insight, communication, the ability to connect with people and organize projects. I originally studied international trade and politics and did not want to hear anything about working with data, this field went beyond me, although paradoxically I didn’t have a single problem with quantitative subjects when I was studying. It was more about my self-confidence. I had created a stereotype in my mind that data and technology are not intended for women. However, my personal insight and ability to make logical decisions helped me navigate unexpected challenges in my career.
All my superiors were men and I believe they always thought well of me. That said, there was still an expectation that to grow into leadership roles, one needed to take a more masculine approach. This, as a woman, I did not always understand and appreciate.
However, it is fair to say that I was given the opportunity to work in management relatively early. Since 2004. I have managed my team and I will not hide the fact that there must have been some personal ambition in me that got me there. I am convinced that I had to work harder than my male colleagues throughout my career due to social stereotypes. I am grateful to those who were able to understand me, who were aware of the importance of diversity in teams, and although I, at times, did it in my own way, they were not afraid of my “otherness” in dealing with various situations and were able to support me.
I am very happy and grateful that you have brought SLD across from Asia. I really appreciate it, because it is very important to be able to help women not only with education but also with their self-confidence. I see it as a necessity to create diversity in intellectual fields, making the field of data and technology more diverse. That is the reason why I decided to start working with SLD and support this non-profit organization on the Czech market, I really believe in it and its ambition.
Tania Le Moigne :

Tania Le Moigne
Jana and I have known each other for more than 40 years, and 40 years ago I wouldn’t have imagined that Jana would run her own business in Singapore and I would run a Google office! It is unbelievable that this is happening but it is also beautiful to be a part of today’s reality, where we are all able to meet here at the same time, in different parts of the world, in a different space, in a different time zone.
When I first listened to the She Loves Data story, I was fascinated by the thought of an individual who was not afraid to step out of the crowd and try something big. It’s amazing what is possible today – one person with a good idea is willing to go against the crowd and has the courage to start such a movement – for me, it is literally breathtaking. This is something we could not have imagined about 10 years ago.
First of all, I would like to thank and congratulate She Loves Data, because it’s unbelievable what you do and I love your story, how it all started. The best things are the ones we don’t plan, which can sometimes be intuitive and not always data-based. In fact, it is the sixth sense that commands us and if we listen to our inner voice, we make the best decisions of our lives.
I have prepared 7 key moments from my 30 years of professional life, which I would like to share with you:
- Choice of IT in 1985
I was certainly inspired by my father, who already worked in IT during the time of deep communism and we used to talk about these things at home. One day, when I went to work with my dad, I was looking at all the huge screens in the workplace, I was helping him exchange disks and it was very interesting to watch the people around me. It is true that there were mostly men in the teams, which I didn’t mind so much because they were very interesting, smart people. It led me to become more interested in the whole environment.
When I had a discussion with my parents about what I would like to do in the future, I found it difficult to decide. I was the kind of student who had no issues following the curriculum at school, but I also played a lot of sports. I can vividly remember how my dad said one memorable sentence to me: “Look, IT will one day be a key industry. And today, if you want to work with computers you have to graduate from college, then imagine that in 2000 everyone will be doing it.” It fascinated me, because at that time I couldn’t imagine how we would all work with those huge computers. So this was my first important decision I made – to go into an industry I didn’t really know much about. In fact, I knew very little about it, but it attracted me because it was new and it meant working with smart people.
- My first year of University
I suffered a lot at the University. I started my first year of University after the humanities high school which comparatively put me in a position where my classmates were a lot better at mathematics than me.
My first year was really about great humility and great inner strength when I had to overcome a lot of my shortcomings. It took a lot of conviction, and courage to complete my first year of studies. This period was a huge learning experience for me and I am happy that I managed it. It never occurred to me for a moment that I would not graduate from University.
- My first job after University
In 1989, I was given the opportunity to start a start-up company together with other colleagues. The company was called ‘Atacus‘ and it was one of the first IT companies in the Czech Republic. We started in a former dormitory in Nové Butovice, we had one computer on the ground and I, a girl with a fresh diploma, was part of a real team, real business and I didn’t know anything about it. But a young person has no inhibitions and has the right courage, so I did not admit that I could not do this job.
- Foreign experience
I left the Czech Republic relatively late. I went abroad with my boyfriend who is today my husband. I was 30 years old when I left for Germany, spent a total of 6 years abroad and then returned to Prague. If I could tell all young people one piece of my advice – it would be to go abroad as soon as possible to study or for a job opportunity, because I have undoubtedly returned to the Czech Republic as a different person.
The Czech Republic is a beautiful country where we live well, but we are a small country, we need to open our eyes, change our thinking and look at things in a much larger context. Only then will you see how big the world is and we need to understand how it works, and this is not entirely possible just from the Czech Republic. So my advice –- explore the world, travel!
- Maternity
At the age of 35, my son was born and that made me reconsider my priorities in life. I left the corporation after 13 years and launched my own business and started doing consulting. My goal was to do my best and not to return to a corporation. You see, never say never.
- My overall experiences
While on maternity leave, I also founded my own company “4 Bambini”, which was dedicated to children aged 4 to 7 years. I realised the importance of teaching young kids good behaviour when everyone was focused on teaching them capitals cities and counting. It was a wonderful period of my life, when I released 4 titles and games for children and these games are actually the 7th milestone in my life that led me to join Google.
After 5 years on my maternity leave, they called me from Google and asked me if I would like to join the team. They looked at my profile, where all the corporations I worked for were listed but my “4 Bambini” was not there. When they asked me what I am proud of in my career, I mentioned these games for children. They were impressed and we started talking about them and one thing led to another and you see, it’s now been 14 years since i joined Google.
In conclusion, I would like to say that things don’t always happen as we plan, but the 7 life milestones have one common denominator, and that is I gave my 100% to everything I have done in my life. Because I enjoyed it, because I was interested, and because I was interested in people, and I wanted to learn more about the things I enjoyed.
Jana Marlé Žižková
I would just like to add briefly that my career was very disorganized, always evolving in the same way as She Loves Data. I never planned anything. I studied Computer Science in Sweden and America. At that time, I emigrated from Czechoslovakia, and what probably helped me in my career was not to be afraid to enter into something new.
I think that mentors, with whom I had the opportunity to work with during my career, also played a very crucial role for me. As Míša mentioned here, I had a boss who let me run the whole company and I was responsible for the PnL at the age of about 27. He simply said, “Jana, we need you to drive it until we find someone else, but we don’t have anyone here right now.” I really appreciated the trust he had placed in me. The great thing was that I could always ask him for advice when I didn’t know what to do. But when I messed up and I felt like resigning, he told me, “Jana, it’s not going to be easy. Spin it, Jana! ”.
He explained to me that this is not how business works. It is simply not possible to just leave the work in progress, and that was a very valuable experience for me. When something tempting came up, I always gave it a test and if I didn’t succeed at least I knew it wasn’t the right direction for me. Today, after a corporate career in large software companies, I have a technology startup in Singapore with my colleagues and I really enjoy it. I have to agree with Táňa that we need to listen to our inner voice, not be afraid to get out of the comfort zone, and go for what we enjoy.
From your point of view, what is the current situation regarding diversity in the Czech Republic, Slovakia, or abroad? Do you think this is just a current trend or is diversity really important from your point of view?
Tania Le Moigne
Diversity is a necessity. Not just gender diversity. Diversity is primarily, in my opinion, about the quality of our thinking. The world is very complex, and by being able to connect with people, we enrich our perspective on whether we really understand the reality and are able to ensure that everyone feels as good as possible. I generally believe in balance and common sense in my life. If we are talking about diversity in the professional environment, specifically for me at Google, it has been an ongoing topic that is not necessarily something we have only been discussing as of recent We don’t just talk about gender, we talk a lot about diversity in education, background / where those people come from, we talk about generational diversity, we talk about people and their way of thinking – there are people who have more cognitive thinking and then we have people who have strong emotional intelligence, ie. diverse skill set. Diversity is the value we cultivate in the environment in which we live. It forces us to look at things differently, from different perspectives, it forces us to ask ourselves questions that we would not normally ask ourselves, and it forces us to learn and build relationships with people. Because in the past we might not even have a chance to establish such a relationship because we were not allowed to travel. And now, when we can travel, it can benefit everyone.
I think we still have a long way to go in diversity, if I can speak for Google, for which I work, I would say that we are not at the very beginning of our journey, but we still have a long way to go. I would like to give an example from practice – in the hiring process we have a simple rule – I want to see 2 candidates for every open position – one man and one woman. Men tend to apply for certain jobs, but the moment we take the job and find a solid opponent, we know we have made an informed choice and that way we can offer the position to the one who is really the best.
If I speak for myself, someone from the Czech Republic living in the Czech society, we still have a lot of work to do. We still see very few women in management roles in the Czech Republic or in business. It is a topic that we need to focus on. About 13 years ago I introduced a children’s book on diversity to the Czech market. It all starts with the children. We can start within our own families by leading children to respect diversity.
Michaela Lhotková
I fully agree that it all starts with the children. I can see it myself in my daughter, who is 9 years old. I see how IT is a completely natural part of her life and that is why there is seriously no reason for both men and women to equally participate in this field.
I also confirm that as a Czech living in the Czech Republic, it amazes me that whatever I participate in, for example, a more technical conference in the role of a speaker, I am usually the only or one of the few female representatives. These are some of the situations when male dominance is clearly visible. From this point of view, we still have a lot of work to do and I hope that She Loves Data will help women build self-confidence, because it is not as complicated as it may seem at first.
Jana Marlé Žižková
I firmly believe that She Loves Data can help with the topic of diversity. Here in Singapore, it’s such a mix of all cultures, nationalities, and races, people who come from different backgrounds and I think local life has taught me great humility and tolerance, to look at people not as they look and what they wear, but to listen how I can be inspired by the fact that they are different from me.
It’s mainly about accepting differences, and speaking of “men’s conferences”, I can’t help but mention that last year was crucial for the She Loves Data.
A huge Big Data World conference is held in Singapore every year and we as She Loves Data cooperate with the organizers. On average, up to 18,000 people come there, 90% of whom are men. The organizers wanted to change this, so they asked us to cooperate and we are helping them with the organization for the second year. We are talking about topics that may also be interesting to women. Thanks to this, we managed to double the number of women in individual workshops.
Last year I moderated a panel discussion on Cloud computing there and I got a list of 4 speakers – they were all men. I went back to the organizers, returned the list to them, and suggested that the women should be invited to the discussion as well. But they told me that they had trouble finding women whom they could invite to such a technological discussion. So I took the initiative, addressed several ladies I knew from the IT industry, and at the end the discussion was composed of 2 men and 2 women. It was a very enriching interview and I think it was interesting thanks to our suggestion that we organize the panel a little differently.
The Czech Republic is unfortunate in that it has not historically been exposed to similar cultural differences. I certainly have to agree with Tána that it is very important to have a view from the outside, try to live somewhere else, try to work with other cultures and nations, work with other generations, etc. This topic needs to be openly discussed and it is important to ask people what their opinions are and explain them to each other. We talk a lot about Artificial Intelligence, why we need to have diversity in the teams that create these algorithms. This is because the diversity of a given team creates a better product because there are different hypotheses, have different views on the problem they are trying to solve, and in fact, the result of a different team will be much better. I think this applies to all topics. If we have different people discussing different issues, the results will be better.
In terms of the previously mentioned HR recruitment processes, I am convinced that the whole system needs to be changed. I had the opportunity to talk to a large European bank with their Data Science Analytics team, where they had general job descriptions made and they used to ask people to mark on a scale 1-10, how the candidates see themselves on each point. And the result? Women underestimate themselves, although they knew much more than men, who, on the other hand, described themselves as complete professionals. The moment they changed this questionnaire, 20% more women applied for the positions, where only men originally applied. In fact, it was because they changed the system of communication with the candidates, and it is also because we women very often underestimate ourselves.
If you were to give the only advice women should take from today’s interview, what would it be?
Tania Le Moigne
My advice is simple – let women not be afraid, let them go for it, because one learns more by simply participating, even if they lose the test.
Michaela Lhotková
I’ve experienced many situations where I had to prove myself more than my male counterparts. Many situations, stupid remarks, unfair trials, or underestimation based on age, visage, gender? … These were (and are but with decreasing frequency) moments that sometimes stopped me from trying . So I agree with what has already been said here – not giving up, believing in yourself, taking the opportunity, and being able to make the right decision, which may not always be easy.
Jana Marlé Žižková
Ladies, I absolutely agree with you. I think women have more doubts about whether they can make mistakes. Mistakes are perfectly fine, mistakes are human, but it is necessary to learn from mistakes, go on and not be ashamed of it. A lot of things don’t work out, but that’s perfectly fine. We are definitely talking about curiosity, courage, it is important to broaden your horizons not only about technology but about anything that is happening in your industry and have the courage to raise your hand and go to new challenges. When you listen to your intuition and are not afraid of new things, raising your hand will definitely be the most difficult. Now is a great time to open up to new opportunities, new job challenges, such as Marketing Technologists, and this is an opportunity to go in a direction that will entertain you and you will continue to expand your horizons. Good luck.
Ženy ve světě dat a technologií
Jana Marlé Žižková, zakladatelka neziskové organizace She Loves Data; Michaela Lhotková, CIO ČSOB; and Tania Le Moigne
Sep 2020
Co Vás vedlo k založení neziskové organizace She Loves Data a proč She Loves Data?
Jana Marlé Žižková
My jsme na úplném začátku neplánovali takovou organizaci založit. Když jsem před 6 lety, společně s mým kolegou Pavlem Bulowskim, založila jinou datovou organizaci a s ní jsme následně vyjeli kamkoliv po Asii, tak jsme zjistili, že mají všude velmi podobné problémy. Zjistili jsme, že organizace nemají dostatek datových a technologických profesionálů. Pokaždé, když jsme se bavili s našimi klienty, sami se nás ptali, zda-li neznáme nějakého schopného datového analytika a tak jsme sami sobě řekli, že s tím něco zkusíme udělat. Ze statistik jsme věděli, že pouze 26% žen pracuje v oboru Data & Tech a nám bylo jasné, že toto je jasná cílová skupina. Proto jsme přišli s nápadem, uspořádat v Singapuru akci, abychom přilákali víc lidí do IT oboru a úplně nejlépe, abychom inspirovali především ženy, které by se nebály do tohoto oboru vstoupit zůstat v něm. Víme totiž, že cca 50% žen studuje vědecké a technické obory, ale stejně si následně volí tradiční ženské kariéry. Zorganizovali jsme tedy jednodenní kurz, zacílený na ženy, kde nebyla podmínka předchozí technické nebo datové zkušenosti, abychom jim od základu vysvětlili, že data a technologie není nic čeho by se měly obávat. Za pár dnů jsme zjistili, že je po tomto tématu neuvěřitelná poptávka, jelikož se nám zaregistrovalo více jak 500 žen.
Po tomto eventu jsme dostali neuvěřitelně kladnou zpětnou vazbu a díky tomu jsme hned věděli, že se školeními nemůžeme přestat a musíme se vzdělávání žen i nadále věnovat.
Poté se o nás dozvěděli naši partneři v Austrálii, kteří chtěli na náš úspěch navázat a tímto přirozeným způsobem se rozrůstáme dodnes, jelikož situace a poptávka po vzdělávání je všude více méně podobná. Díky tomu nás dnes, po 4 letech od zorganizování prvního eventu, můžete najít v 16 zemích světa a jsme pyšní, že jsme do dnešního dne proškolili více jak 15.000 žen z celého světa. Je také hezké sledovat, jak se nám kolem SLD vytváří komunita žen a mužů, kteří se navzájem podporují a spolupracují mezi sebou ať už se nachází kdekoliv.
Jaké to je být vysoce postavenou manažerkou v ještě stále typicky mužském prostředí? Jaké nástrahy jste musely ve svých kariérách překonávat nebo ještě stále překonáváte?
Michaela Lhotková:
Já jsem nastoupila do bankovního sektoru v době, kdy se banka ještě ani zdaleka nepodobala datové organizaci. Dnes tomu tak 100% je, bankovnictví se stalo technologickým oborem, tudíž si prošlo neuvěřitelnou proměnou a já tomu musela samozřejmě přizpůsobit své dovednosti a rozvinout své znalosti v IT.
Pro představu se s vámi podělím s klíčovými situacemi, kterými jsem si musela na začátku své kariéry projít. Nikdy jsem se nepovažovala za technologicky orientovanou osobu, byla jsem spíše takový ten klasicky “softově” orientovaný člověk, který si věřil právě v typicky ženských vlastnostech jako je networking, nadhled / rozhled, komunikativnost, schopnost propojovat a organizovat projekty. Původně jsem vystudovala mezinárodní obchod a mezinárodní politiku a o práci s daty jsem nechtěla nic slyšet, tento obor šel mimo mě, byť jsem paradoxně na školách neměla jediný problém s předměty spojenými s čísly. Spíš se to týkalo mého sebevědomí, kdy jsem si i já jela ve stereotypu, že data a technologie nejsou určeny ženám. Nicméně můj osobní nadhled a schopnost logického rozhodování, mi pomohl i v pozicích, kam jsem původně neplánovala směřovat. Všichni mí nadřízení byli muži a věřím, že to se mnou vždycky mysleli dobře, ale je pravdou, že mě k výkonům, k tomu mít ambice být ve vedoucích rolích a dále růst, motivovali spíše klasickým mužským přístupem, který jsem jako žena ne vždy chápala a oceňovala.
Nicméně je fér říct, že příležitost pracovat v managementu jsem dostala poměrně brzy, od roku 2004 jsem řídila svůj team a nebudu zastírat, že ve mně musela nějaká osobní ambice být, ale mě upřímně práce především bavila. Jsem přesvědčená, že jsem si musela svou kariérní cestu odpracovat mnohem intenzivněji než by museli mí mužští kolegové v podobných situacích, kterým společenské stereotypy zvlášt před pár lety zcela jasně nahrávali. Jsem vděčná těm, kteří mě dokázali pochopit, uvědomovali si důležitost diverzity v teamech, a i když jsem si někdy šla spíše svou, ženskou cestou, nebáli se mé „jinosti“ při řešení různých situací a uměli mě podpořit. To bylo pro mě velmi důležité a přesvědčilo mě to o tom, že dělám správnou věc.
Jsem moc ráda a jsem vám vděčná za to, že jste SLD z Asie přivezly, opravdu to oceňuji, jelikož je velice
důležité umět pomoci ženám nejenom se vzděláváním, ale i s jejich sebevědomím a vidím jako nutnost
neustále pracovat na diverzitě v intelektuálních oborech, čímž oblast dat a technologií jednoznačně je. A
to je i důvod, proč jsem se rozhodla začít s SLD spolupracovat a podporovat tuto neziskovou organizaci
na českém trhu, opravdu v ní věřím.
Tania Le Moigne
My se s Janou známe více jak 40 let a před těmi 40 lety by mě nikdy nenapadlo, že Jana povede svůj vlastní byznys v Singapuru a já povedu pobočku Google. Je neskutečné, že se právě toto děje. Je krásné poslouchat a být součástí dnešní reality, kdy se tu sejdeme všichni pohromadě ve stejnou chvíli, a přitom jsme každá na jiném konci světa, v jiném prostoru, v jiné časové zóně. Když jsem poprvé poslouchala příběh SLD, tak mě osobně fascinuje role jednotlivce, který se nebojí vykročit z davu a zkusit něco velkého. Když si uvědomíme, co je dneska všechno možné, když se najde člověk s dobrým nápadem, když je dostatečně vnímavý k tomu, co dnešní svět potřebuje a je ochotný tomu jít naproti a má tu odvahu se do takových věcí pustit, to je pro mě doslova dechberoucí. To je něco, co jsme si ještě asi před 10 lety nedovedli představit. Úvodem bych chtěla SLD poděkovat a pogratulovat, protože je neskutečné, co děláte a miluji váš příběh, jak to všechno vzniklo. Nejlepší věci jsou ty, které si neplánujeme a vznikají z nějaké naší osobní reakce, která občas může být také intuitivní, a ne vždy daty podložená. Vlastně jde o takový ten vnitřní pocit a šestý smysl, který nám velí, a tak z mého pohledu vznikají ta nejlepší rozhodnutí.
Já jsem si pro vás připravila 7 zásadních momentů z mého 30ti letého profesionálního života, o které bych se s Vámi chtěla podělit.
- Volba oboru IT v roce 1985
Já jsem zcela jistě byla tímto oborem inspirována mým tatínkem, který v IT již v době hlubokého komunismu pracoval a u nás doma se o těchto věcech hodně mluvilo. Svého času jsem za tatínkem chodila do práce a tam jsem pozorovala všechny ty obrazovky, vyměňovala jsem tam obrovské disky a bylo velmi zajímavé pozorovat lidi kolem. Je pravda, že tam byli v teamech většinou muži, což mi zas až tak nevadilo, protože to byli lidé velmi zajímaví, chytří a celkově mě nesmírně zajímalo celé prostředí.
Když jsem měla s rodiči diskusi o tom, co bych si jednou v životě chtěla vybrat za svůj obor, tak já jsem byla vzor toho dítěte, kterému vždycky všechno ve škole šlo, do toho jsem hodně sportovala a vlastně výběr mé budoucí profesní cesty, byl pro mě osobně velmi těžký. Dodnes si pamatuji, že tatínek pronesl jednu památnou větu: “Podívej, IT bude jednou klíčové řemeslo. A jestli je to dneska o tom, že pokud chceš pracovat s počítačemi a musíš k tomu vystudovat vysokou školu, tak v roce 2000 to budou umět úplně všichni.” A mě to fascinovalo, protože jsem si v té době neuměla představit, jak jednou budeme všichni pracovat s těmi obrovskými počítačemi, když jsem tam ve stejnou chvíli děrovala na děrovacím stroji diplomovou práci. Takže toto bylo moje první rozhodnutí, jít do oboru, o kterém jsem toho vlastně moc nevěděla, velmi málo jsem toho uměla, ale lákalo mě to, protože to bylo nové a znamenalo to práci s chytrými lidmi.
- Můj první rok univerzity
Já jsem v prváku na vysoké škole velmi trpěla. Nastoupila jsem do prvního ročníku po humanitním gymplu, ostatní spolužáci se fantasticky orientovali v matematice a já jsem o tom nevěděla vůbec nic. Můj první ročník byl skutečně o velké pokoře a o velké vnitřní síle, kdy jsem musela překonat spoustu svých nedostatků. Bylo to o velkém přesvědčení, musela jsem se kousnout, nevzdat se a dotáhnout studium ke zdárnému konci. Toto období byla pro mě obrovská škola života a jsem šťastná, že jsem to zvládla a nikdy mě ani na chvíli nenapadlo, že bych školu nedokončila.
- Můj první job po vysoké škole
Psal se rok 1989 a já jsem dostala příležitost založit startup firmu společně s dalšími kolegy. Firma se jmenovala Atacus a byla to jedna z prvních IT firem v České republice. Začínali jsme v bývalém učňáku v Nových Butovicích na koberci, měli jsme jeden počítač na zemi a já, holka s čerstvým diplomem, jsem byla součástí reálného teamu, reálného byznysu a vůbec nic jsem o tom nevěděla. Ale mladý člověk nemá zábran a je zdravě drzý, proto jsem si nepřipouštěla, že bych tento job nezvládla.
- Zahraniční zkušenost
Já jsem z České republiky odcházela relativně pozdě. Šla jsem tehdy za svým přítelem, dnešním manželem. Bylo mi 30 let, když jsem odcházela do Německa, celkem jsem strávila v zahraničí 6 let a poté jsem se vrátila zpátky do Prahy. Kdybych mohla všem mladým lidem říct jednu svou radu – ať určitě odjedou co nejdříve za studijní nebo pracovní příležitostí, protože já jsem se bezpochyby do Čech vrátila jako jiný člověk. Česká republika je nádherná země, ve které se nám dobře žije, ale jsme malá země, je potřeba otevřít oči, změnit styl přemýšlení a dívat se na věci v daleko větším kontextu. Až pak uvidíte, jak je svět veliký a my potřebujeme pochopit, jak funguje, a to není zcela možné jen z ČR. Takže má rada zní jednoznačně – vycestovat.
- Mateřství
Ve 35 letech se mi narodil můj syn a to byl moment, kdy jsem věci ve svém životě přehodnotila, po 13 letech jsem odešla z korporace, založila jsem si vlastní živnost a začala jsem dělat Consulting. Představovala jsem si, jak budu dělat všechno na pohodu, že se do žádné korporace nevrátím. Vidíte, nikdy neříkej nikdy.
- Vlastní živnost
Na mateřské dovolené jsem také založila vlastní firmu “4 Bambini”, která se věnovala dětem ve věku od 4 do 7 let. Protože mě přišlo důležité naučit děti slušnosti. V té době všichni učili děti hlavní města států, vyjmenovaná slova a mě přišlo důležité je naučit slušnému chování. To byla nádherná etapa mého života, kdy jsem vydala 4 tituly a hry pro děti a právě tyto hry byly mým důležitým a vlastně 7. životním milníkem pro můj nástup do Google.
Po 5 letech na mateřské mi zavolali z Google, jestli bych k nim nechtěla jít pracovat, dívali se na můj životopis, kde byly vypsány všechny korporace, pro které jsem pracovala a moje “4 Bambini” tam nebyly. Když se mě zeptali, na co jsem ve své kariéře nejvíc pyšná, zmínila jsem právě tyto hry pro děti. Oni si se mnou o tom začali povídat a vidíte, teď už jsem 14. rok v Google.
Závěrem bych chtěla říct, že v životě je vždycky všechno jinak než si sami naplánujeme, těch 7 životních milníků má ale jeden společný jmenovatel a to ten, že jsem do všeho šla naplno. Protože mě bavily, protože mě zajímaly a protože mě zajímali lidé a já jsem se chtěla učit a poznávat věci, které mě baví.
Jana Marlé Žižková
Já bych k tomu jen krátce dodala, že má kariéra byla velmi nezorganizovaná, vždycky se vyvíjela stejně jako se She Loves Data. Já jsem nikdy nic neplánovala. Vystudovala jsem Computer Science ve Švédsku a v Americe. Tenkrát jsem emigrovala z Československa a co mi asi pomohlo na cestách v klíčových momentech, bylo nebát se vstoupit do něčeho nového.
Myslím si, že velmi zásadní roli pro mě hráli take mentoři, se kterými jsem měla možnost spolupracovat v průběhu mé kariéry. Jak už tady zmiňovala Míša, měla jsem šéfa, který mě nechal řídit v mých asi 27 letech celou firmu, jednu zemi a celou PNL. Zkrátka řekl “Teď to tu řiď, my časem najdeme někoho jiného, ale v tuto chvíli tady zrovna nikoho nemáme.” Velmi jsem oceňovala důvěru, kterou do mě kdysi vložil. Ve chvíli, kdy jsem si nevěděla rady, jsem za ním mohla kdykoliv přijít a požádat ho o radu. Když jsem ale něco zkazila, měla jsem pocit, že bych měla dát výpověď, ale on mi na to řekl “Jano, to nebude tak jednoduché. Spin it, Jana!” A já si říkala, jak já to mám vlastně přetočit?
Vysvětlil mi, že takhle byznys nefunguje. Jen tak odejít od rozpracované práce zkrátka nejde, a to pro mě byly velice cenné zkušenosti. Když se objevilo něco lákavého, sama sobě jsem si řekla, že za zkoušku člověk nic nedá. A když mi to nepůjde, tak aspoň vím, že toto není moje cesta a správný směr. Dnes, po korporátní kariéře ve velkých softwarových firmách, mám spolu se svými kolegy technologický startup v Singapuru a nesmírně mě to baví. Musím souhlasit s Táňou, že je třeba poslouchat svůj vnitřní hlas, nebát se vystoupit z komfortní zóny a jít si za tím, co nás baví.
Jaká je z vašeho pohledu v současné chvíli situace týkající se diverzity v ČR, na Slovensku nebo v zahraničí? Myslíte si, že jde jen o současný trend nebo je diverzita z vašeho pohledu skutečně důležitá?
Tania Le Moigne
Diverzita je jednoznačně nutnost. Nejen genderová diverzita. Diverzita je primárně dle mého názoru o kvalitě našeho přemýšlení. Svět je velmi komplexní a my tím, že se v něm dokážeme propojit, tak tím obohacujeme svou perspektivu o tom, zdali se skutečně chápeme realitu a jsme schopni zajistit, aby se v ní všichni cítili, pokud možno dobře. Já obecně v životě věřím na zdravou rovnováhu a zdravý rozum. Pokud se bavíme o diverzitě v profesním prostředí, konkrétně pro mě v Google, je to dlouhodobé téma, které interně nediskutujeme pouze posledních pár let. My se tu nebavíme pouze o genderu, ale bavíme se tu hodně o diverzitě ve vzdělání, backgroundu / odkud ti lidé pocházejí, bavíme se o diverzitě generační, bavíme se o lidech a jejich způsobu myšlení – jsou lidé, kteří mají větší kognitivní myšlení a pak máme lidi, kteří mají silnou emoční inteligenci, tzn. diverzitní skill set. Diverzita je hodnota, kterou kultivujeme v prostředí, ve kterém žijeme. Nutí nás se dívat na věci jinak, z různých perspektiv, nutí nás pokládat si otázky, které bychom si normálně nepoložili a nutí nás to učit se a budovat vztahy s lidmi, protože jenom proto, že jsou jiní, v minulosti bychom s nimi třeba ani vztahy nenavázali. A teď, když to uděláme, může to být pro všechny ku prospěchu. Myslím, že nás v diverzitě čeká ještě dlouhá cesta, pokud mohu mluvit za Google, pro který pracuji, tak bych řekla, že už nejsme úplně na začátku, ale máme před sebou ještě stále dlouhou cestu. Ráda bych zde uvedla příklad z praxe – v rámci hiring procesu máme jednoduché pravidlo a to, že chci vidět na obsazovanou pozici 2 kandidáty – jednoho muže a jednu ženu. Na určité joby se hlásí spíš muži, ale ve chvíli, kdy si dáme tu práci a najdeme solidní protikandidátku, jsme rádi, že máme vyváženou možnost volby a ve finále můžeme nabídnout spolupráci tomu, kdo je skutečně nejlepší.
Pokud budu mluvit za sebe, jako za Češku v České společnosti, tam vidím bohužel spoustu intenzivní práce a osobně si myslím, že speciálně v řídících rolích v ČR nebo v byznysu, jsou ženy stále velmi málo vidět a je to na společnosti pochopitelně znát. Je to téma, o které bychom měli pečovat a tady bych ještě doplnila, že jsem před 13 lety na český trh uvedla dětskou knížku o diverzitě. Všechno začíná u dětí a i v rodině můžeme děti vést k respektu k diverzitě.
Michaela Lhotková
Já plně potvrzuji, že vše začíná u dětí. Sama to vidím na své dceři, které je 9 let. Vidím, jak je pro ni IT svět naprosto přirozenou součástí života a jejího vývoje, a proto je že vážně není důvod, aby se na těchto oborech budoucnosti rovnocenně nepodíleli muži i ženy.
Potvrzuji také, že jako Češku žijící v České republice, mě udivuje, že ať se zúčastním jakékoliv techničtější konference v roli speakera, většinou jsem na ní jako jediný či jeden z mála ženských zástupců. To jsou chvíle, kdy je převaha mužů až extrémně vidět. Z tohoto pohledu máme před sebou ještě spoustu práce a já doufám, že SLD pomůže ženám budovat sebevědomí, protože pokud ke svému cíli dáte energii sobě vlastní, tak ono to nakonec zas tak složité není, jako se na začátku může zdát.
Jana Marlé Žižková
Já pevně věřím, že SLD může s tématem diverzita pomoci. Tady v Singapuru to je takový mix všech kultur, národností a ras, lidí, kteří přicházejí z různých prostředí a myslím si, že mě místní život naučil velké pokoře a toleranci, dívat se na lidi ne jak vypadají a co mají na sobě, ale poslechnout si, jak já se můžu obohatit tím, že oni jsou jiní než jsem já.
Je to především o přijmutí rozdílů a když už se tu bavíme o mužských konferencích, tak nemohu nezmínit, že loňský rok byl pro SLD zásadní.
Každý rok se v Singapuru pořádá obrovská konference Big Data World a my jako SLD spolupracujeme s organizátory. Průměrně tam přijde až 18 tisíc lidí, z čehož jsou z 90% muži. Pořadatelé chtěli toto změnit, a tak nás požádali o spolupráci a my jim tam druhým rokem s organizací pomáháme. Mluvíme o tématech, které mohou zajímat také ženy. Díky tomu se nám podařilo zdvojnásobit počet žen na jednotlivých přednáškách.
V loňském roce jsem tam moderovala panelovou diskusi o Cloud computingu a do ruky se mi dostal seznam 4 speakerů – všichni to byli muži. Šla jsem zpátky k organizátorům, vrátila jsem jim seznam a navrhla jsem, ať na diskusi přizvou také ženy. Oni mi ale odpověděli, že mají problém sehnat ženy, které by na tak technologickou diskusi mohli pozvat. Převzala jsem tedy iniciativu, oslovila jsem několik dam, které jsem z oboru znala, a nakonec diskuse proběhla ve složení 2 muži a 2 ženy. Byl to velmi obohacující rozhovor a já myslím, že byl zajímavý právě díky našemu návrhu, ať panel zorganizujeme trochu jinak.
Česká republika má smůlu v tom, že nebyla historicky vystavena podobným kulturním rozdílům. Určitě musím také souhlasit s Táňou, je že velmi důležitý pohled z venku, kdy si člověk vyzkouší žít někde jinde, zkusí fungovat s jinou kulturou a národy, spolupracovat s jinými generacemi atd. Je třeba toto téma otevřeně diskutovat a je důležité ptát se lidí, jaké mají názory a vzájemně si je vysvětlovat. My se tu hodně bavíme o Artificial Intelligence, proč potřebujeme mít diverzitní týmy, které tyto algoritmy vytvářejí. Je to z toho důvodu, že právě rozdílnost daného týmu vytváří lepší produkt, protože se v nich nachází různé hypotézy, různé pohledy na daný problém, který se snaží vyřešit a vlastně výsledek rozdílného týmu bude lepší. Myslím si, že toto platí pro všechna témata. Pokud budeme mít různé lidi diskutující různé problémy, výsledky budou kvalitnější a lepší.
Co se týká již zmíněných náborových HR procesů, jsem přesvědčená, že je zapotřebí celý systém změnit. Měla jsem možnost bavit se s jednou velkou evropskou bankou s jejich Data Science Analytics teamem, kde měli k dispozici obecné popisy práce udělané tak, aby se lidé označili na škále 1-10, jak se sami kandidáti vidí v jednotlivých bodech jsou. A výsledek? Ženy se podcenily, ikdyž ve výsledku věděly mnohem více než muži, kteří se naopak označili za naprosté profesionály. Ve chvíli, kdy v bance změnili tento dotazník, se jim najednou přihlásilo o 20 % víc kandidátek na pozice, kam se původně hlásili pouze muži. Vlastně to bylo tím, že změnili systém komunikace s kandidáty a také je samozřejmě na vině fakt, že se my ženy velmi často podceňujeme.
Pokud byste měly říct jedinou radu, kterou by si ženy z dnešního rozhovoru měly odnést, jaká by byla?
Tania Le Moigne
Moje rada zní jednoduše – ať se ženy nebojí, ať do toho jdou, protože už jen samotnou zkouškou se člověk učí a víc získá než ztratí.
Michaela Lhotková
Zažila jsem více situací, kdy jsem musela víc dokazovat – než jsem kolem sebe v mužském světě běžně vídala -, že na něco mám. Řada situací, hloupých poznámek, nefér soudů či podceňování na základě věku, vizáže, gendru?… To byly (a jsou, i když se snižující se frekvencí) okamžiky, které mě vnitřně zastaví a říkám si, jestli to mám zapotřebí. Připojuji se tedy k tomu, co zde bylo již řečeno – nevzdávat se, věřit si, využít příležitosti a umět udělat správné rozhodnutí, které nemusí být pokaždé jednoduché.
Jana Marlé Žižková
Dámy, já s vámi absolutně souhlasím. Myslím si, že ženy mají větší pochybnosti o tom, jestli mohou chybovat. Chybování je úplně v pořádku, chybovat je lidské, ale je nutné se z chyb poučit, jít dál a nestydět se za to. Spousta věcí se nepovede, ale to je úplně v pořádku. Určitě se tu bavíme o zvídavosti, odvaze, je důležité si rozšiřovat své obzory nejenom o technologiích, ale o čemkoliv, co se děje ve vašem oboru a mít odvahu zvednout ruku a jít do nových výzev. Když budete poslouchat svou intuici a nebudete se nových věcí bát, určitě bude nejtěžší právě to odvážné zvednutí ruky. Teď je skvělá doba na to, kdy se otevírají nové příležitosti, jsou nové pracovní výzvy, např. Marketing technologists a toto je příležitost vydat se směrem, který vás bude bavit a budete si i nadále rozšiřovat své obzory. Přeji hodně štěstí.